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  • Profile photo of John J.John J.
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    @johnjmccalisterjr
    #19961

    Good luck finding a Suboxone doctor that will prescribe any other than Suboxone. I get headaches from the Naloxone in Suboxone. Zubsolv has a lower amount of Naloxone and Zubsolv is also much cheaper

    • Profile photo of Angela JacobsAngela Jacobs
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      @angelajacobsspradlin
      #19959

      I am seeming to have that problem with headache and nausea..but like you said my Suboxone doctor doesn’t want to put me on it!

    • Profile photo of Ali ZAli Z
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      @aliz
      #19869

      I have absolutely no idea why a doctor would turn that down. It seriously makes absolutely no sense. Your doctor isn’t looking out for your best interest…as his concern has less to do with what’s suitable for you, and more to do with whatever kickbacks he receives from the manufacturer for treating with suboxone rather than competing medication. Find a new doctor. My doctor had absolutely no problem honoring my request to try zubsolv. There’s no reason a doctor should have a problem with switching you, since it has the same active ingredients.

    • Profile photo of eric vazeric vaz
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      @ericvaz
      #19857

      Completely agree, its all about the MONEY…the Dr’s don’t seem to have the patients best interest at hand and that is very said! They just see another junky or whatever and all they care about is THIER money…I am not saying all the Dr’s by any means but I have come across a couple and it is very sickening to say the least.
      I hope that I didn’t come off harsh or offended anyone but that is my opinion and like I said its not all Dr’s just a couple that I have come across.

    • Profile photo of JoeJoe
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      @joe_8
      #27182

      I get prescribed subutex and have from 2 different doctors. They both started me on suboxone. Tell them giving you head ache will switch how i did it

    • Profile photo of Ricky NRicky N
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      @rickynjennifer
      #19931

      i know a dr that prescribes zubsolv.

    • Profile photo of Drew MannDrew Mann
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      @drewmann
      #19883

      Subutex bro, if your on suboxone and it gives you headaches the prescription guide tells doctors to offer subutex instead, as naloxone is famous for its headaches in sensitive people, usually a concussion or fibromyalgia makes you vulnerable and some people just don’t tolerate it. It literally instructs physicians in the prescribing guide. In lucky that I have a great doctor and PA that have recommended I use bube for my entire life, and also give me a long acting benzodiazepine 3 times a day, albeit at low dosages. I honestly have no idea why another bupe/ antagonist drug has been approved, especially one with a higher bioavailability. I don’t see how the same ROA has that much more bioavailability than suboxone or any buprenorphine generic. Patent laws ruin the pharmaceutical industry, especially in regards to addiction. That’s why opiate addicts have such terrible recovery rates as compared to every country in EU. We’re slowly starting to understand that the majority of real addicts don’t recover without maintenance therapies and counseling. Sweden’s heroin maintenance program has a 98% success rate, and the two percent are those who choose to be a junkie. Tens of thousands have gone through the program and not one person has died in its history, and it started before I was born. The other Scandinavian countries have simalar programs and a plethora of opioids in use, and rest of Europe is starting to utilize similar methods for not just opiate addiction, but benzodiazepine maintenance and even stimulant therapies are popping up. This has been in motion for decades, but the U.S. continually pushed AA and $40,000 AA bootcamps along with abstinence. 1 in 40 people in these “rehabilitation centers” will stay sober for 5 years, AA itself boasts a 3 percent success rate. When you look at it like that it’s unbelievable, but remember that jails need filling, fines need paying and rehabilitation center’s depend on addicts cycling in and out and repeat customers to stay in business. A continued revenue stream for the U.S., the states, local government, prison industrial complex, rehab center’s that want to stay in business etc. They don’t want to help addicts, they want as many as possible.

    • Profile photo of Ali ZAli Z
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      @aliz
      #19871

      Several factors can make a difference between the bioavailability of two medications taken sublingually, (or any route for that matter). The way that it’s formulated, the inactive ingredients and markup/fillers/binders in the medication, all can make a difference explaining how zubsolv is absorbed more effectively compared to suboxone.

    • Profile photo of Ali ZAli Z
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      @aliz
      #19870

      My doctor had absolutely no problem honoring my request to try Zubsolv after I explained I did my research and wanted to see if it can be more beneficial for me. I don’t see why a doctor would have an issue with it. It’s has the same active ingredients as one another. What would your doctor possibly say to you, in order to justify rejecting that request? You either don’t know how to communicate with your doctor properly, or your doctor is severely under-qualified. Find a new doctor. If you have that same problem with another doctor, then the problem is with you, rather than them.

    • Profile photo of Anonymous AnonymousAnonymous Anonymous
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      @anonymous
      #27170

      Yeah, you’re perfect, aren’t you?

  • Profile photo of CATHCATH
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    @cath
    #19960

    I AM SO GRATEFUL THAT THERE IS ANOTHER TREATMENT AVAILABLE FOR HEROIN ADDICTS LIKE MY OWN SON…I FEEL SO HELPLESS AND GUILTY….

    • Profile photo of DdKruseDdKruse
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      @ddkruse
      #19919

      You can’t feel guilty. My mom felt the same way for a long time but the fact of the matter is I made my choices, not her. No, we didn’t have the best relationship but she didn’t put a needle in my arm- I did.

    • Profile photo of Livia FuriaLivia Furia
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      @liviafuria
      #19911

      I hope that you are clean now. As parents we blame ourselves for all bad decisions our children make, I hope you and your mom are doing better

  • Profile photo of SamsoniteSamsonite
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    @samsonite
    #19958

    I am on zubsolv. Taste is a lot better. One thing to keep in mind is…… The bioavailability test was compared to suboxone tab not film… If u read the fine print in the film box (I did when I was on subs I’m weird) it states tat the films have higher bioavailability then tabs…… So is 1.4 really = 2mg film ? Who knows I didn’t notice much if any difference when switching from sub film to zub tab but others I know say they feel the films are slightly stronger… Big reason for me switching was price my insurance covers 100 percent of zubsolv…. If doc won’t switch ya don’t feel like ur missing out on much it’s all the same stuff at the end of the day…. U do get less naloxone in ur system with zubsolv but even with subs it’s tiny tiny amount what I did to reduce it even further is spit the extra saliva after 10 minutes vs swallowing it…I’ve noticed less head aches

    • Profile photo of BeckyBecky
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      @becky_2
      #27184

      does anyone know if you can get zubsolv in films??Starting in November, my insurance stops paying for suboxone. I’m a little concerned.

    • Profile photo of AnnAnn
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      @ann_6
      #27183

      I’m in the same place as you…my insurance just sent me a letter saying they will only pay for zubsolv starting nov. 1st…I’m nervous about taking something different after taking suboxone for 3 1/2 years

  • Profile photo of KennyKenny
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    @kenny_1
    #27186

    I just recently (last week) was prescribed Zubsolv 5.7/1.4mg due to my insurance stopping coverage of suboxone. I have been on Suboxone 8mg/2mg for the past 4 years. My first dose of Zubsolv was 2 days ago. A few hours afterwards I began to feel sick. I felt very confused , tired and headache. I felt as if I was in withdraw with a combo of being overmedicated. I had to switch back to Suboxone for now as I have a wedding coming up and refuse to feel sick. I dont know if it’s just me or what but I don’t understand why I felt that way after taking Zubsolv. I tried it twice more thinking maybe it was a coincidence but the same thing happened again. Not sure what I’m going to do come July 1st when my insurance stops paying for Suboxone. Anyone else have this experience with Zubsolv???

    • Profile photo of CarlosCarlos
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      @carlos_1
      #27185

      I switched to Zubsolv and it’s been 11 days. I feel like I’m going through an almost full-blown withdrawl – sweats, cravings, sleeplessness, etc. They keep using the term “absorbtion rate” and how 1 tablet is equal to 1 film. Bull. It’s a cheaper drug and that’s the bottom line. It’s about the insurance companies saving money. I’m going to ride the month out but if I see my doctor and am still going through this, I’m going back to suboxone – out of pocket. I’d rather take 1 suboxone a day than 2 Zubsolv.

    • Profile photo of CrystalCrystal
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      @crystal_1
      #27177

      Ask them for subutex Which is just like suboxone, but without the naloxone and u don’t need prior authorizations if you have Medicaid. Subutex is the same thing without the blocker naloxone. If you want to stay clean you can take subutex, but I said that to say this you can still use drugs IV etc…. On subutex., but subutex works better way better then this zubsolv.They are white and it is a genres so it’s a lot cheaper. If you tell them your allergic to zubsolv, and tell them you can’t breath and you get really bad hives and it feels like your throat is closing then they can’t give it to you because it could be the filler in the pill or other things you just have to outthink these stupid so called docs. If you try the subutex I guarantee its better then zubsolv. If not just tell them like I said your allergic go to the hospital with papers proving your allergic,but your not to Suboxone. You don’t have to have hives and itchiness to be allergic just tell them your throat felt like it was closing and you couldn’t breathe then show the doc the ermengcy room papers.

    • Profile photo of CrystalCrystal
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      @crystal_1
      #27176

      I really believe I have helped someone please let me know I love to help people may I ask what state Kenny you live in, and Carlos also. :)

    • Profile photo of CrystalCrystal
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      @crystal_1
      #27175

      i know in Delaware they got rid of all pills and Maryland with SUBOXONE except subutex just the ones with naloxone, because people were shooting up the SUBOXONE without the right education, besides didn’t want to get clean so they got rid of generic SUBOXONE pills which were just called buprenorphine8 mg/naloxone2mg. Just tell and try to et papers saying your allergic to this zubsolv don’t take nooooooooooooo for an answer when you want and need something you never give up. I’m from Baltimore it’s so easy to be on SUBOXONE, and Xanax by Johns Hopkins if you have a legitament reason for the anxiety and no prior autos needed. If you guys need anymore help hit me up

  • Profile photo of roberto authorsroberto authors
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    @robertoauthors
    #19956

    My friend has been injecting subzol i think its dangerous and i know injecting period is dangerous. Does anyone know if this is deadly or have any information?

    • Profile photo of KrysKrys
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      @krys
      #19949

      It says on Zubsolv’s website that doing that is incredibly dangerous and can result in death. You should talk to him and get him help before something bad happens.

    • Profile photo of disqus_rJYAgSitLhdisqus_rJYAgSitLh
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      @disqus_rjyagsitlh
      #19944

      They say that because when you shoot anything more of the drug is going to go into your system versus taking it sublingually. As long as the person actually has a need to take it and doesn’t mix it with a bunch of other drugs and alcohol they’ll be fine( Suboxone has a ceiling effect so you could take 1000 of them it would have the same effect as if you took a few). I didn’t even know Zubsolv existed until a couple minutes ago so i’ve never taken it, but i know several people who have shot up Suboxone before and never had a problem. I’ve actually done it myself in the past when i was running low on subs, because i could do far less and get the same effect. In the past i couldn’t get insurance because i was born with Epidermolysis bullosa so i’d have to get Subs off the street which was why sometimes i’d pretty much be forced to do them that way or run out and go through withdrawals. I now have insurance (thanks to Obama Care people with pre existing conditions can now get insurance) so luckily i no longer have to do them that way. Obviously shooting anything is bad but it’s not as bad as they’d have you believe to do it like that they actually make a Buprenorphine solution for injection, it’s called Buprenex.

    • Profile photo of Livia FuriaLivia Furia
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      @liviafuria
      #19906

      ITS DEADLY TOO SHOOT SUBS!!!!! Why would you say that its ok ????? Are you a doc? No.

    • Profile photo of disqus_rJYAgSitLhdisqus_rJYAgSitLh
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      @disqus_rjyagsitlh
      #19902

      Are you talking to me? I said it’s not a good idea to shoot anything, but if you are (lets face it some people are going to do it no matter what) as long as you know what you’re doing it’s not deadly.

    • Profile photo of Livia FuriaLivia Furia
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      @liviafuria
      #19900

      IT IS DEADLY!!!

    • Profile photo of disqus_rJYAgSitLhdisqus_rJYAgSitLh
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      @disqus_rjyagsitlh
      #19898

      I don’t inject Subs, can you read? I said i know people that have in the past and i’ve done it a few times before i had a prescription so i could make them last until i was able to get more. Since i have gotten a prescription for them i haven’t shot up anything. Also Doctors don’t know everything, I’ve actually known more about Subs than most doctors i’ve talked to. I’ve told them FACTS about Subs and they’ve told me i’m wrong, i then showed them the Information sheet that comes with Subs (when you have a prescription) that showed them i was right and they were wrong.

    • Profile photo of disqus_rJYAgSitLhdisqus_rJYAgSitLh
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      @disqus_rjyagsitlh
      #19897

      Maybe you’re misunderstanding me here. No one should shoot Subs, or anything for that matter. However people are going to do it no matter what, so they should at least know how to properly do it. Yes, shooting anything is potentially deadly, but if you know what you’re doing it is far less deadly ( driving a car or doing many daily activities that most people do are also just as deadly BTW). So you if you are going to (which i would highly advise you not to do) at least know what you’re doing.

    • Profile photo of Harun TuzcuHarun Tuzcu
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      @haruntuzcu
      #19887

      buprenorphine is not deadly to shoot in contrary it is one of the safest opioids for intravenous application but the danger comes from shooting itself and because of the filler materials in tablets or stripes or other complications that can arise from injecting such as inflammation.

    • Profile photo of Livia FuriaLivia Furia
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      @liviafuria
      #19899

      No one “knows what they are doing” when they are addicts! Injecting anything unless directed by a doctor is taking your life into your own hands. Injecting Sub will kill you one day. Just like injecting heroine, one day it will get you.