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  • Profile photo of Unisen4Unisen4
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    #18402

    I hate to say this but Doctor Jeffrey Junig MD PhD your a moron and that was the worst advise anyone could ever give. you are getting paid by the makers of Suboxone I know you are long term sub use is hell on earth. The only people who should be on it long tern are people who don’t want to live and are so depressed drugs are the only answer, I know this from experience no a book or a pay check (I love life and was on Suboxone too long luckily with help I got off it was hell)

    • Profile photo of Ra282012Ra282012
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      #18401

      Yup yup, true that. That doc is a quack. The longer you stay on subs, the harder it is to get off. I do know first hand. Waiting to take subs now, take it for four days and im good. Word of advise to anyone taking or about to be taking suboxone, plan to get away from subs asap, its worse than comen off methadone. And thats a ride in its own. ultimately u probly dont want to be on anything, feeling normal on your own is great. Thats what you should be workin toward. Good luck to all.

    • Profile photo of Rog382013Rog382013
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      #18389

      Dude you are wrong. I’ve been on subs for three yrs now and down to 4mg a day. And if it wasn’t for subs I’d still be taking either 20 or more morphine/norcos a day. My doctor by the rules of FDA see’s me once a month and gives me my monthly dose. I’ve gone three days without taking subs and felt ok. The third day was a little uncomfortable but noting like if I went one day without taking moraine or norcos. Look if their is anyone out their fighting addiction from heroine, pain killers etc…. Get some help and get on Suboxone……it will save your life and your family if you have one……..their is very little to worry about with a medication that if you choose not to take one day isn’t going to throw you in to a withdraw state. Get some help and get on Subs if you have a problem and stop listening to the idiot who thinks he can control his addiction in 4 days. That is the addiction speaking. Look you get on subs and you will get off of everything else with little discomfort and great success.

    • Profile photo of HoustonHouston
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      #18387

      Well this is my opinion and experience. I got hooked on Pain Killers (Hydrocodone) because of 6 teeth implants and 8 root canals. I used Benzoz too for sleep. I never touched any street drug or Alcohol in my life. When I realized that I am hooked on pain killers then I went to see a shrink and he put me on Subs. It is been 2 years now and finally I have decided to hell with this and checked myself in for detox and and today is 4th day off of it. I was taking 16 mg then tapered off to 10 and then 6 and then nothing. If you have been in my situation and not doing any other BS then do not trapped by Sub. Yes it is true that Sub helped me from taking pain pills for 2 years now but if you were in my situation with moderate use of pain pills (16 the most I took in 18 hours) then do not start on Sub. It is the hardest thing to get off. And I don’t know other things like Alcohol or Heroin but if just the moderate use of Hydrocodone then I would rather take some Xanax for couple of week and you would be fine. I have paid dearly for Sub use in terms of my relationships and etc.

    • Profile photo of Anthony RitenourAnthony Ritenour
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      #18342

      houston, the reason subs didnt help you is becasue you went from taking 6mg and then stopped all of a sudden. you should have went from taking 16mg to 15 3/4 then 15 1/2 then 15 1/3 then 14 and so on and so on. thats the correct way of doing it. no wonder it didnt work for you. you didnt do the treatment correctly

    • Profile photo of privacy13privacy13
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      #18308

      I went from 4mg per day to 3mg, to 2mg, to 1mg, to 1/2mg to 1/3 mg, to little bitty piece (& those suckers are hard to divide). Still, day 6 hell ride continues, and chronic pain is back!!

    • Profile photo of Vance NelsonVance Nelson
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      #18371

      I was on day 8 before my W/D started. You should of just took it long enough to get the oxy out of your system. Im on day 50 after 3 years on subs and i feel like I will never be 100%

    • Profile photo of privacy13privacy13
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      #18309

      Little discomfort sub detox is an irresponsible opinion held by many sub docs despite their “special training”. My own GP told me that sub withdrawal is worse than oxy bc at least after 3-4 days oxy detox your physical symptoms are over. This is my 6th day of sub detox; the hell ride continues: dizziness, inability to sleep, leg spasms, profound fatigue, then comes depression. How long will this last? I’ve heard probably at least two weeks. Meantime, my chronic pain that initiated painkiller use evolving to abuse is back!! Will somebody tell me what I do now?

    • Profile photo of Deebo1976Deebo1976
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      #18300

      do you remember how freed you felt when you found subs ? do remember how quickly you got to work repairing all the damage you had done as an addict ? you are sick think of it like cancer some people beat it some people fight to the death . dont’ throw away the best tool you have to fight the illness just because you are tired of being dependent on it . remember all the good that ha s come of sub treatment and realize that it is not a failure if you need it to fight this illness long term to throw it away and then go backwards IS a FAILURE. GOD BLESS I have been through all that you are feeling 5 yrs on sub we can treat it and be at peace or turn our backs and allow it to devour us I get it no one wants to be bound by anything even if it is helping us.

    • Profile photo of Anthony RitenourAnthony Ritenour
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      #18343

      thats not true! which ever dose your put on, you need to taper down. say if you start on 2 8mg a day. take that for about 2 months then start taking 1 3/4’s and after about 2 months 1 1/2 and so on and so on. that is the best way to do it because thats what ive been doing and ive been on it for almost a year and im almost down to a 1/3 everyday. so dont tell people this dr. is a quack. because you are the one whos a quack. stop giving bad advice

    • Profile photo of Flea67Flea67
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      #18395

      How did you get off it

    • Profile photo of Anthony RitenourAnthony Ritenour
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      #18344

      i believe you are a moron!! his advice is correct, studys have shown that short term use of suboxone leads to relapse, trust me i would know because im still taking it. and i dont know why you said it was hell? whats so bad about it? the fact that when you take it you cant catch a buzz? because the reason i take it is because i feel normal and full of energy. feeling normal is my buzz. and how did you have help with getting off of it? by tapering every couple months? because if you quit it all of a sudden your going to feel like shit. thats why is better to start with a specific dose and taper to a lower dose. and so on and so on. take it from me who is still on suboxone and gradually going down a dose every couple months until i eventually wont be taking it anymore. thats how you use suboxone. just like dr. jeffrey describes. unisen4 your the moron, why in the hell would anyone believe you over a dr. whos studied the drug. and you have no proof weather hes doing it for the money or not because most dr,s i know including mine actually care about me and want me to eventually get off this drug, just like he tells me every day i go in there. ive had long helpful conversations with him every appt. and hes deff not that expensive or “in it for the money” so what you need to do is stop giving bullshit advice and leave it to the professionals. thank you

    • Profile photo of LizLiz
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      #26410

      it’s you’re, not YOUR!, no need for name calling or debating which path to recovery from this deadly disease is better or worse. These types of debates usually introduce false information and cloud intelligent decision making. EVERYONE is different, and only a moron would fail to realize that.

  • Profile photo of HTMHTM
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    #18400

    Very bad advise. Dont think of subs as a life long needed med. Looks like Dr Juning is looking for a quick way to get rich. With God as my witness with a week long supply of subs u can effectively kick must opiates addictions. God bless and good luck to those quitting.

    • Profile photo of Jsiegel32Jsiegel32
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      #18398

      yes you can kick the drugs, but your mind hasn’t had time to change also, studies show short term usage of any meds does NOTHING for an addict, long term usage gives you and your mind time to recover. 20 percent physical, 80 percent mental. Suboxone is not to take just to kick, His tips are not to get rich, they are the facts, and if people listen, you just might get the help you need if your ready…..
      From A Recovering Addict

    • Profile photo of recovering addictrecovering addict
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      #18385

      Yeah it gives your mind time to rely on suboxone like no other drug you’ve ever taken. Long term suboxone use changes basin chemistry in ways that haven’t yet been researched coming from experience and others stories taking suboxone for years will cause many many months possible years of post acute withdrawals. Taking meds for short time does nothing for an addict? Really so all the treatment centers that do fast tapers have 100% relapse rates no recovery is about being done and working on recovery everyday. Short tapers allow thousands of people to lessen their withdrawals and enjoy recovery. Please stop talking like your completely correct someone might believe you and end up on suboxone for years when they could have only taken it for weeks and still attained recovery. I did a taper of two weeks and eight years later I’m still clean and sober. Meds can lessen the pain but recovery is about being done and hard work.

    • Profile photo of somewhitedudesomewhitedude
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      #18255

      this is 2 years ago but i still feel the need to say AMEN. Subs can help many ways, but when a doctor says you need to be on Subs for a year or more…..go find a new doctor. I’m only typing this for people like me who came across this thread to gather info on your recovery. I do agree with being on Suboxone for at least 2 to 4 months but it varies for each person some may need longer for the brain to recover and really see what u want to be and where you want to get in life. but in my opinion once u reach the 1 year mark you’re just stalling and potentially just making future withdrawals worse! I’m gonna round this up by first saying don’t believe EVERYTHING you read, we all have opinions and obviously been through the struggle. Theres nothing easy about addiction and thats for damn sure lol but it can be overcome.
      -Benthere Donethat

    • Profile photo of the honestthe honest
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      #18365

      you are 100% right. thank you for sharing the truth, so someone doesnt listen to one of these guys and get addicted to suboxone til u are “at least 30yr” as it states above…

    • Profile photo of KjohnRNKjohnRN
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      #18357

      I am the mother of a 10 year addicted heroin user who was shooting up several times a day, homeless, livng on the streets, and doing whatever to get his fix. My late husband and my son have co-written a book about this 10 year hell we went through. He has now been “clean” from the opiates for over 2 years, but only because of the Suboxone that he was taking. He is taking the new drug Zubsolve to replace SUBOXONE that was costing $500 per month out of pocket…insurance does not cover Suboxone but does cover Zubsolve. The Docs are not getting rich from the sale of these products, and only a heroin user would know that the effects of the naloxone products help mentally, psychologically, and physically to keep them from relapse better than nothing at all. So Hooray to this new found product, and to the sobriety of my son. I don’t care how long he takes it, if its the rest of his life, at last I know he is sober, clean, working, a law abiding citizen, and living a good life. K. John, RN

    • Profile photo of r.majr.maj
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      #18356

      44 y.o mom with a ten year addiction ending with heroin. Have been on SUB since July 13, 13.Thank you for sharing your story and opinion. Regardless how long I stay on SUB I’m a functioning mom,wife and friend again after 10 long hard year.

    • Profile photo of Shineon83Shineon83
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      #18279

      @r.mag : Congratulations! And thanks for sharing your story.

    • Profile photo of Shineon83Shineon83
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      #18355

      –For what it’s worth, I have been taking Suboxone for 12 years (I was one of the members of the pilot study the FDA did on Sub)….I went from a state of being literally “enslaved” by opiates, to (in Sept), obtaining my Phd …..I have never ONCE felt “high” on Suboxone —only “craving-free.” This medication has allowed me to not only rebuild my life—but rebuild the trust with my family and friends that was utterly lost so many years ago…..It may not be a “miracle” drug for everyone—but is HAS been a miracle for me……………..

    • Profile photo of Anthony RitenourAnthony Ritenour
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      #18345

      thats where your wrong. a weeks worth supply is not enough, your body has to adjust to the amount that you started taking in the beginning, and then you slowly taper. say if you start with 2 8mg subs a day, you will saty on that amount for about 2-3 months and then you would go to 1 and 3/4’s for about 2 months and then 1 1/2 and then to one. and so on and so on. dont tell people to use it for a week and quit. it could make them relapse and then start over again. i think i would listen to an expert who studys suboxone, rather than someone who took it for a week and thinks that their cured. please listen to a dr. and not some moron who thinks they know everything

    • Profile photo of Anonymous AnonymousAnonymous Anonymous
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      #26402

      16 mgs a day – holy moly that is an incredible amount of Subs and with a 37 hr half life you will build up an ungodly amount of Sub in your blood stream. Many and I mean many IV heroin users can start at 8-4 mg and work down with a taper. Roughly 16 mg of Subs is an equivalent of 480 mg of morphine. Not many people need that much dope to get withdrawals under control. Not to mention that with the half life you would have around 24.5 mg of Subs running in your body the next day after you dose another 16 mg. And pile it on day after day…walking Sub-human in a week

    • Profile photo of Leah FaginLeah Fagin
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      #18294

      Ive done an 8mg Suboxone to 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 and relapsed immediately. 8 days. It was horrible. The depression was unbearable. That detox was hard core horrible.

    • Profile photo of MaximusX67MaximusX67
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      #18215

      Agreed. There is no quick fix with suboxone. You need to take the medication for some time, and taper off. Otherwise you are in for a world of hurt in regards to withdrawal sickness, and, most definitely relapse.

      I started on suboxone and, after 2 weeks, thought I was good to go, and didn’t need to continue it. I wasn’t aware of the half life of the drug, and the fact that you can go several days without the medication before the pain/withdrawal will set in. I wasn’t sure if it was withdrawal from suboxone, or still from the opiates at that point; but it doesn’t matter – either way it was too soon to quit (not to mention cold turkey too). I am in a clinic with hundreds of other recovering addicts on suboxone, and I was floored when they started talking about how many YEARS they’d been on suboxone. I vowed right then and there I would NOT be one of those people. However, I also rushed things so quickly in my quest to be different that I detoxed/relapsed, and ended up starting over again. This time I am going slow and steady, with the goal of reducing my intake of suboxone each month, until I get to a point I am barely taking anything at all. If I stick to my schedule, and it WORKS, I estimate that I will continue taking this medication for a total of 15 to 18 months.

      It really is giving up 1 dependency (or several in some cases) for another – however, this alternative is much safer, and, if done correctly, is winnable by way of complete succession at some point.

    • Profile photo of chrischris
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      #26408

      You spelled “advice” wrong…maybe “god” can teach you how to spell correctly. Also, suboxone is also used for the mental aspect of kicking opiates….sure you can kick it in a week but thats usually only physically…

    • Profile photo of impact zoneimpact zone
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      #18313

      Sure – and tell a schizophrenic to use will power instead of taking a pill.
      K – So you are a religious zealot and belive in invisible man in the sky to save you – fine, but most of us walked out of the dark ages a long time a ago.

    • Profile photo of TaosTaos
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      #18283

      Subs contain a narcotic , you are basically substituting one narcotic for another. Subs clearly state that if stopping you will exp. withdrawal & that it contains a narcotic & is a controlled sub. Soooooooooooooo? whats the deal here. Methadone costs about .19 cents a pill & was developed for narcotic withdrawal, kicking opiate use , addiction et cet. Subs & its counterpart run anywhere from $10 – $20.00 +++++ a pill. Lights starting to come on????? Big Pharma is selling Vodka @ 15.00 @ bottle to combat a beer habit ($3.00 @ Quart). It,s like the missionary’s in china , handing out pills the people were told came from god to cure them of the opium habit(People called them “Jesus Pills”) only prob. , the pills were morphine & heroin). These drugs doooo address an issue , help some & not others.Subs are better than heroin , one is sorta legal the other not. Approx. 47 people a day die fron narcotic OD (See TV AD) , what they do not tell you is that aoorox. 61 people a day die from NON-NARCOTIC Prescription drug OD & that the 3rd leading cause of death in the US is The MEDICAL PROFESSION (heart issues #1 , Cancer #2). If your Dr. prescribes a non-nacotic for your pain there is a greater than 50% chance he’ll kill you over a narcotic script (17,ooo od narcotic/ 22,000 non-narcotic od —–Yearly out of a us pop. of 320 million)

    • Profile photo of Shineon83Shineon83
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      #18281

      @Taos: The “difference” between Suboxone and pure opiates (Oxy, Heroin) are many: 1) Addicts will NOT–ever–get “high” on Suboxone (thus, it breaks the “urge/craving/use/withdrawal” paradigm; 2) Suboxone is not, unlike opiates, a pure agonist. It is an agonist/antagonist, which only hits a few opiate receptors, while actually shutting others down; 3) Suboxone has a very long half-life, thus, a patient can miss 3-4 days of taking it without experiencing severe withdrawal (try that with Heroin); 4) Suboxone is legal. This is major to many; 6) There has never been a single overdose death involving only Suboxone—it is a very safe medication; 5) Suboxone has created millions of “former addicts”………Ask ANY patient on Suboxone if their life was better before Suboxone or after….

    • Profile photo of RoseRose
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      #18226

      No he is not! Drug addiction is a disease just like diabetes, hypertension, etc. and ppl have to stay on those drugs for the rest of their lives. Dr. Junig helped thousands and he is not one who wants to get rich quick. Know the man before you attack him.

  • Profile photo of AngelCAngelC
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    #18399

    Wow people really ? I believe I agree that you have to be ready. I have been on this medicine for 2 years and clean for 12 months ! I have. A Beautiful healthy happy 2 yr old and Suboxone saved my life

  • Profile photo of Jsiegel32Jsiegel32
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    #18397

    I don’t know why people are so on the “You wanna be able to take no medicine and feel great kick” its like, when people are sick they take medicine everyday, some people are on different medications for years and years and THATS OK!! If its working stay with it. Theres nothing wrong with taking something to help you,as long as its not drugs. If you use the meds PROPERLY you will be fine, It saved my life, i Graduated from school in May and I am a year and a half clean from oxys/heroin. If your against all this info, then you weren’t using it right or you were not ready, period.

  • Profile photo of krsmwhtkrsmwht
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    #18396

    I guess everyone is different and you don’t know until you try.. I just remember dealing with my pain before I started taking all this medication about 8 years ago, and it was so awful I would take cold medicine just to get my mind off of the pain!! Ive been thinking about taking suboxone just because the govt. has made it so hard to get schedule 2 medication but taking 1-2 methadone a day really made my life very livable and I was perfectly happy with NO pain!! I would really want to try the suboxone if it was more affordable!! I have no insurance and can’t afford 400+ a month plus the doctor visit!! Methadone costs a quarter of that, that is if my pharmacy would continue to supply it..

    • Profile photo of Anonymous AnonymousAnonymous Anonymous
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      #26425

      The makers of suboxone have a no co-pay, very little pay card the doctor can give you when he gives you your script. Ask for one. It’s only good once a month so if you go see the doc. more than that get another card. Good Luck!